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doctorfreud
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| Guy Citizen wrote: |
| Dr, Fraud...i'm not impressed by your empty threats. You dont scare me with your bullsh**, not one little bit. Thats the same load of sh** that george spewed at me, and i told him where he can stuff it too. (ask to listen to the audio tape, the paranoid nutcase taps every conversation)The penalty for harassing people with nuisance summonses is far greater than any gain you could possibly make. You can look that fact uo, i sure did. But you can count on this, when george goes sniffing around some of the larger landlords and management companies for support in the next election (like he did in the last election) he will not be recieved well. And when he loses his next election and no longer has the tiny, itty bitty, amount of power he has now, where does that leave you? Just another angry fool to be swept aside by the tide of change. So Dr. Fraud, let me just say that i am not nearly as impressed with you as you are with yourself. Any time you want to threaten me and my livelyhood in person, you just let me know. |
Pray tell, what exactly is the penalty for writing you a summons? More importantly, you might be interested to know that the penalty for violation of city ordinaces is up to $1000 per violation. If you get cited, you tell your story to the judge and take your chances. They aren't real tolerant about absentee landlords not taking care of their properties. So, please don't threaten me with your trite nonsense about what your going to do. I'm not at all impressed. Just make sure your place is taken care of and that your tenants don't become a problem and it won't be an issue for you. And George is no longer on the job. He's retired. He owns a home here and has properties that he takes care of. So, when you decide to move in, you can vote against him, should you so desire. Until such time, your opinion and a buck will get you a cup of coffee and not much more. |
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aa is for quitters
Joined: 18 Jul 2008
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Location: South T-town
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Guy Citizen wrote: |
| As for the guy who says trenton is a shithole. I disagree with that , but we do agree on most of your other comments. If you live among effed up people, you will not enjoy the peace and tranquility at home you expect. trenton is a place for newer Americans to start off in this country, and the newer americans are far more upwardly mobile than most of the Trenton regulars. . |
Trenton is a shithole. You don't live here, you don't send your kids here, you don't police the streets like we do. So yeah, I think that I am in a better position to say whether or not Trenton is a shithole. Since I bought my home, I lost over $50,000 in the value of my home, you want to know why? Because butthole landlords allow any piece of sh** to move in here and sh** up my neighborhood. Newer Americans can come to Trenton, I have no problem with that, this country was founded on immigration. The problem I have is, don't make Trenton your new home and make it look like the third world country that you ran from. |
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Guy Citizen
Joined: 16 Jun 2010
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Location: Trenton / Union
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Well AA, its unfortunate that you think Trenton is a shithole. The fact that you are "on the job" in trenton is further evidence that morale for city service providers is very low, and that sucks for everyone. I wish there was a majic formula to make everyone happy, but then you show me the place where everyone is happy. The fact that the value of your house dropped by & 50,000 in this last recession and housing collapse sucks. But you will never regain that value unless the demand for houses increases. To eliminate the largest pool of home buyers in the market, investors, is suicide. There is no private redevelopment money going to come to Trenton. There will not be any large scale urban renewal on the part of the government (at any level). People who can afford to buy their first home are not coming to Trenton as long as they can still get a bargain elsewhere. So who is left to buy in Trenton? Do the children of Trenton residents grow up and buy houses in Trenton? Nope, they go anywhere else because of the pervasive attitude in Trenton that it is a shithole. As for being in Trenton on a regular basis, you are wrong. I'm there at least 3 days a week if not more.Often when i'm there i do bring my children with me. We sometime eat in local restaurants, or shop in local stores.
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Guy Citizen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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You know Dr. Fraud, maybe i am being a little rough on Gorgeous George. I'm sure he has many good qualities and is appreciated by his friends. His friends certainly are loyal. My gripe is that he threatened me with the type of harrassment that you are right now. So, i guess you can say i regard you both the same way, as threats to my property and family. These are the types of threats i take seriously. I find it hysterically ironic that you use the "dont tread on me" flag on your header, and then prove yourself the very type of abusive government agent that turned gentlemen farmers into patriot warriors. Since you ask, it is a felony to use your government position to harass people for personal reasons. People not only lose their jobs AND pensions, but face actual jail time as well. As far as i can tell, you are not in a position of authority. You have no power over anyone and your threats are as meaningless as you are. When you start looking at tax records, make sure you dont descriminate or you are the one that going to be sorry. When you start with the nuisance complaints, just remember that you also live in a house in trenton that will be subject to the same laws and regulations as everyone else. As for this army that you are going to bring, just who might that be, volunteers? How are you going to find the money to hire a posse for your personal vendetta? Tell me how the housing inspections unit is going to be funded for your crusade? You talk a lot of sh**, now lets see you back it up.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:19 pm Post subject: t-town |
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| I also visit t-town and also eat sometimes in t-town--guy is nuts--if you live in t-town and/or work in t-town you usually know what is best--landlords-especially those that live to far away could give a rats ass about any town--just that they can collect rent--taxes go up = rent goes up-- |
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mmcgrath
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Location: Trenton, NJ
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Guy Citizen wrote: |
| I apreciate your comments mmcgrath. you are right about having all rental properties as not a great thing. But having boarded up properties is the worst of all situations. Where i disagree with you is that rental owners not bringing up the values of homes. The simple economics of supply and demant always hold true. When demand for trenton homes increases, so do the values. For a little historical perspective, just look at median home prices in trenton in 1990, 2000, and 2010. the evedence is irrefutable. I am not here looking for support. I represent the investors who see trenton and a great place to invest our money. I view the large influx of Hispanics as a boon to the local economy. They are a community that by and large takes care of its own, despite the popular misconception that they are nothing but a drain on public services. They dont use police, fire and ems resources at any higher rate than any other group, they dont collect welfare, section 8, unemployment benefits, ssei, or any of the other high dollar services that are available to the entrenched population. As for school resources, they benefit themselves and their community by attending public schools, this is a good thing. There is room enough for all of us, even the ones we may not like. As for a specific reason to be critical of Gorgeous George, there is an incident that rubs me the wrong way. He harrasses my tenants that happen to live right across the street from him, not because thay are bad people, far from it, he does it because they are hispanic. He is verbally abusive to hispanic people because he calculates that they will not dare complain because of who he is and they feel powerless to fight back. He accuses them of criminal activity and claims to have pictures, but he refuses to show them to me because there are no pictures. He claimed to have recieved complaints from neighbors about loud obnoxious behavior, and called me at home to threaten and harrass me. When i went to the block to investigate, every neighbor i spoke to said my tenants were nice quiet people and that the only problem on the block was Gorgeous George. Even people who have lived there for over 40 years (and have known GG just as long) defended the character of my tenants and identified Gorgeous George as the neighborhood bully. I have no respect for him because he is a liar, bully, and thug who hides behind his badge (and wig) and is too cowardly to show the proof he says he has. And on top of it all, he is an ignorant fool. Trenton can do better than him, and in 3 1/2 years, it will. |
If he is harrassing or bullying your tenants, then you probably have enough of a story against George without the references to your beliefs that hispanics are harder working than other Americans or to George's racial beliefs, wigs, or anything else. If there is any sort of investigation against your tenants which isn't a criminal investigation, you probably have a right to review any evidence as well and should make a request through the clerk's office or at City Council. Keep records and run them by an impartial source.
I am not sure what the median home prices in 1990, 2000, or 2010 will show you outside of the fact that we lagged several years behind national and regional trends. Are you trying to claim that rental properties are responsible for every increase in home values? As for supply and demand, I am 100% sure that buyers who are seeking to become homeowners themselves have much less demand for a house that is sandwiched between rental properties vs. one in a nearly 100% owner occupied neighborhood. This effect is probably doubled when the rental homes are chopped up into multiple units. Such destruction of neighborhood homes should probably be outlawed through zoning altogether.
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Southside
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: |
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Me thinks 'Guy Citizen' protests TOO much to be what he says he is, A QUALITY LANDLORD!
Guy is the only one playing the race card. Regarding 'harrassment' of his tenants and the neighborhood 'outcry'. The 'outcry' doesn't surprise anyone as most of the tenants in these neighborhoods fear that their own squalid, nuisance activity is about to come to an end. So be it! After twenty years of landlaords running amok their is NO sympathy for them and their coming plight.
To Tony, the new council and yes, George, give em Helll! That's what you were elected to do! |
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Guy Citizen
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Location: Trenton / Union
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Well let me just say that i have never been accused of being a slumlord by anyone with any authority to say so. The only people to ever call me a slumlord are people on this forum, who dont know me or my properties and are predisposed to think anyone that owns rental property is a slum lord. Shame on them for their ignorence. My homes have no violations, are inspected regularly, and have annual chimney and heater certs. Most of my tenants have been there for more that 2 years, providing stability. Some of you seem to be of the opinion that harrassing rental property owners will solve all your problems. Tell me this. If you drive all the rental property owners out, what happens to all those houses? Do you think the people who rent them will step up and buy them? Is there a waiting list of buyers? How does that affect the people who own and live in their homes? The reality is that they will mostly end up boarded up and abandoned. Is that what you all want? Mcgrath is right about the need for new zoning. If you want to attract the middle class to Trenton, you have to build them a neighborhood they want to live in. The middle class does not want to live in a 12' wide row house and send their children to dangerous and underperforming schools. Take a look at what other cities have done to this end. Look at New Brunswick, a city with as a high a percentage of rentals to ownership as Trenton.
How about an urban renewal plan that sets aside land to build a neighborhood that allows fewer but larger townhomes on a block, maybe 3 stories with garages. Maybe some free standing homes , possibly with green lawns and attractive landscaping. Something to attract the middle class. How about the Trenton government doing something to attract developers to do business in Trenton. And what about the education system, which discourages the middle class from moving to Trenton. How about decentralization, more charters, etc.
Does anyone here have any ideas to share, or is this just a forum to blame landlords for what is wrong with Trenton?
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doctorfreud
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey you assumed that we're all racists. So we get to assume your a slumlord. Turnabout is fair play. |
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mmcgrath
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Guy Citizen wrote: |
Mcgrath is right about the need for new zoning. If you want to attract the middle class to Trenton, you have to build them a neighborhood they want to live in. The middle class does not want to live in a 12' wide row house and send their children to dangerous and underperforming schools.
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How about an urban renewal plan that sets aside land to build a neighborhood that allows fewer but larger townhomes on a block, maybe 3 stories with garages. Maybe some free standing homes , possibly with green lawns and attractive landscaping. Something to attract the middle class. How about the Trenton government doing something to attract developers to do business in Trenton. And what about the education system, which discourages the middle class from moving to Trenton. How about decentralization, more charters, etc.
Does anyone here have any ideas to share, or is this just a forum to blame landlords for what is wrong with Trenton? |
This is a city. I don't need new "middle class" suburban like neighborhoods. I would be just as happy with working / lower class neighborhoods. Unfortunately they are the first target of charities and aspiring landlords who care very little for the neighborhoods and can see very little inherent value in them since they are of a lower class. Once again, may not be talking about you, but the overall reality is that even lower class and "working" neighborhoods are hurt by landlords who come in and develop a permanent transient group of renters. The only thing is that they don't see the damage they create since they think very little of the neighborhood to begin with.
You yourself seem to be of the impression that you are "saving" these neighborhoods. If landlords weren't there, then there would be a lot more affordable housing without the need for special state programs. Nowadays prospective homeowners have to compete with landlords who are looking to maximize profit, usually by chopping up the homes into several units. Usually these "entrepreneurs" drive up the price (especially cheaper homes in lower class neighborhoods), sometimes resulting in their own failing business and further killing the neighborhood.
I would like to look at all of the boarded up and derelict houses, and I bet that the last owner was a business or an aspiring landlord for half of them. Once again, not all are bad, but it is the very small minority that don't cause surrounding home values to go down.
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I would like to see a school district where children get an education. One where over 90% of those entering the district high school graduate. One where hundreds of students do not need special help at the last minute to pass the state mandated test. One where an education is acually provided in exchange for the exorbanent taxes paid. Why would anyone with children choose to move to Trenton when if you have to send your children to a private school to insure that they get an education.
I question why we tolerate such abysmal performance from the Trenton school districct in return for our tax dollars. |
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Guy Citizen
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Dr. Fraud, i dont assume you are a racist. I have an opinion of you based solely on what you have said in this forum.
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bluescat1
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Owning rental houses is not a crime, not keeping them in good repair is.
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Guy Citizen
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Actually its not even a crime. It is a misdemeanor at best. But lets say you have 2 shitty looking houses side by side. Both have peeling paint, broken windows, garbage all around the property. 1 is a rental, and 1 is not. Why is one owner a "ciminal" and the other owner not?
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